Synthesis of our conversation

Transcript by Tara Hollander
Edited version by Fernanda Ibarra

Comments from Fernanda: I see how this conversation holds an enormous potential for the Lab. Part can go into the business plan. The most sophisticated pieces will show when the business plan goes to other iterations to be presented to 'partners' 'alliances' which do understand the complexity and potential. It will also serve our call (assembly process)

What I did with the transcript is:

• As I was editing I placed some comments in brown color, which raised while reading. New pieces not included in the transcript.
• Names are out as a way of glueing the conversation as a text.
• Letters in bold are pieces that can fit the first iteration of the business plan, which will be adapted to a pragmatic, investor, orange language. (we want to be translators of memes)
  
• Some questions to be answered are in red.

Feel free to edit and transform. In the wealth of the WE we are playing with approached to collaborative writting and creating online. WE are learning together.

Meeting sequence
Presenting the U theory (presencing as our methodology)
Meditation 10 minutes
Co-initiating and Co-sensing


PRESENCING (notes of resonance)

We began to use the U theory as a model for our COWL co-creation as we want to access our collective source and play with different tools, methodologies as we manifest. We spoke about entering into generative listenting to listen from source, from the future wanting to emerge, to reach the highest possibilities of the lab.

The different practices that bring you into the presencing are suspend, co-sense, co-initiate, redirect your attention to places of deepest potential and then let go. That is when collectively you are able to tap into the source.
That process is like a meditation process where you let go and let come. The Center, the magic in the middle, the emergence. Then you crystallize, prototype, institutionalize, meaning you manifest. Left hand, part of intuition, creativity, touching source, being. When you go out of the U, you should be able to prototype.

LH: I have in my inner explorations of inner states found that these different stages along the U are states of being that one can recognize, one can, in a visionary experience and a full felt-sense experience, recognize the states one is in, in these different steps that are outlined here. And it is what I've realized with JF in the taking of the breath, that one harvests, one accesses the deep level, or at least begins that process with the breath. So in the exploration of the relationship of what can be seen in the mystical states of breathing and the different cognitive awareness states of knowing, presence, creative access and finally collective access. What's outlined here is a very useful explication of these steps. Based on a natural process.

Its something that has to do with music. One notices the judgments, becomes aware of each of the pitfalls in the first listening steps. The habits of judgment, and the immediate vigil is about letting those go and harnessing what is truly there. Then bringing that enhanced being to noticing the precise listening stages, to the empathic listening, and finally to the generative, because you are expressing at the same mini-moment as the listener. So it’s a fascinating way in which the actually process of expressive music making and the ability to empathically listen at the generative moment is a very resonant similarity.

In letting go, letting come, at the moment of such utter letting go, of even the persona of myself, that’s the moment that the collective is tapped. And, again it is an ongoing inner vigil awareness about the ego. Thanking the ego and letting it go. Stay in the state of empathic resonance in the quality of listening.

Our presencing questions for Co-initiating and Co-sensing
What does life call us to do? What is our future sense of purpose?
What do we envision as the potential for a COWL Laboratory?
What is the highest meaning? What are we serving?

What does life calls us to do?
Serve the evolution of the whole. The human emergence movement.

There are still unanswered questions of human consciousness that impact so many areas of who we must be, and who our children must be, in order to creatively transform the planet and to be attuned to the organic evolution of consciousness and prevent areas of problem and dysfunctions in our society, such as alcohol, suicide, violence, obesity, high school drop-out, teenage pregnancy. There's fascinating area research about the creative process, most especially in music and art, which has the possibility for curtailing a number of these dysfunctions in many ways. And, we don't know exactly why. There are those of us who have gone down to the very core of our being to discover the arena of where the addictive cravings reside.

How are some able to discover the creative visioning and have creative output and those necessary disciplines? And yet others become addicted. Why are so many of the greatest creators also addictive personalities? But even further, the very going down into this space, the very process. And it must be a gathering of visionaries, those aware of their own process. To go down together and in this place of the extreme vulnerability, come up with the answers that have never been clarified on the planet, which is (a) the nature of the creative process, (b) the realm of the highly gifted and genius– who know much more of their creative process than other people. Why so many deeply creative people are psychologically disturbed. In ways we cannot any longer call disturbing, it is a creative difference in the great creative masters globally. Shamans know this realm well. The visionaries who have brought forth great art, great music and great understanding.

The very nature of human consciousness where these unknowns reside, one of the experiences, in a lab, is the exploration of (a) the creative process in the greatest depth ever attempted, and (b) the illumination of this level of human consciousness which you glimpse through the sacred plants, which has been known in the shamanic/mystical traditions, but has never articulated in a way that can be harnessed for: (i.) the recreation of education, (ii.) the harvesting and awareness of the nature of the evolution of conscious, (iib.) what the shape of that is. Things that are pointed to in this transformative U (Scharmer). What they crystallizing is about. What are those crystallizing? Why do they take particular shapes? But this area, going do to this place, with these visionaries, led through a way to ... This could be a core work of the lab, because without this, we don't have a great chance of transforming on the planet.

This beautiful purpose and potential on ' What does life calls you to do? ' Naming that the inner subjective and the intersubjective of what would happen in that space. And we also want to tap into the place of the manifest. What does it need. What structure does it need? What kind of architecture, what kind of sound? What kind of geometry, spaces, how many spaces? Is it small, intimate? How many people could potentially participate in such a large process? Which number.

Creating this space where to bring these people and to allow them the opportunity and to support them, give them the underlying foundation for this unutterably important exploration. Just tangentially. Many of these problems, although not only focus of the lab., many of these dysfunctions, there is funding for some of the answers that can come out of this. In some way, as you look into the business plan, mentioning one of the jewels, products that comes out of what you are creating here, is a new clarity on what can be brought to crises that we have no understanding of how to solve and bring a new humanity into.

Human creativity and the exploration of that creativity. Bringing out kits of processes, in the being and the doing. Is everyone who taps into states of consciousness, regarding on the stage they are at, able to tap into that creative source and come out with answers that serve the new? How much does a worldview influence in the outcome? .How does that source look like in a blue stage or a orange or green stage? What is the common experience we have to reference? Should we keep it just to ourselves until we are ready to explore it in its vast and wild reality?.

Being able to actually glimpse people at whatever level or stage they are at, see that level and honor it, as a fractal of the much larger levels. Tap into the actual shape and unfolding process, the fluid infrastructure, the architecture of the evolution of consciousness. One can see where we’ve been, what those worldviews are, where we are now and where its heading. This is why it was always seen, Jewish mysticism, prophecy, is an apprehending of what is coming next, which is the evolution of consciousness and what is what Wilber calls the evolution of worldviews. That was also seen inseparable from music. You glimpsed the mega structure and all possible structures of human consciousness, which are interestingly the shapes in which the physical architecture in the real world can hold in the energy in that harmonic way. The amphitheaters created for the shapes which shape the sound.

Bucky Fuller geodesic dome was one of them. You see these shapes. These came out of our inner experience; we are shaped on those vibrations. If we were to create these sacred spaces, right in the trees, this is something that can inform the spiritual new vision for architecture both inner and outer.

ICON vision is to create new forms. We can do this through exploring the creative process which leads to innovation. Highly creative people make those new forms. What will happen if this source is tapped by collectives?

This process will serve visionaries circles as well as the local and regional communities and organizations in Mexico which approach the Lab. It will also expand through cyberspace through integrating technology in a way which augments this potential and its broadcasting to the world. Art objects to be used, replicated, transformed through the power of the networks. (spanish speaking broadcasting potential)

In regards to the sacred geometry, the very sounds of these harmonics (which harmonics are you refering to Lorin? Music harmonics or are there any other harmonics created by the collective entering into states of consciousness?) when we go into the letting go and letting come; we start to resonate with the perception of universal vibrations. That is what meditation allows. We become part of the gong. We are vibrating with the nature and the universe, that is the experience. When we speak about the subtle dimensions, this opens up an area of research possible at the lab.

What Fetzer was looking at is the question of what is it we have to bring them through for people/group to tap into the same revelation, insight at the same moment? I think as we discussed, they would bring together group of people. They would do this in various ways. Bring people through an experience where suddenly everyone felt a shift inside. Finishing each other sentences. The recognition, awareness of that state became far more interesting than what they came together to talk about. I'm saying things I never knew before.

We know it from mentoring. When the mentor lets go and is utterly vulnerable, suddenly both the mentor and mentoree know something they didn't know before. It s not available to either one alone. It is truly tapping into the collective. The world doesn't know what happens when we really do tap into a common held revelation, not available to one alone but does seems to hold the answer. Like when Christ said 2 or more gathered in my name… Everyone starts to speak from it. Rising here borne of us being together. We have the internet for connecting and many things that can happen. But, first we have to bring people, or at same time together in the physical space:
- What’s happening in consciousness? What is this thing that is arising? Has it always been there? have only the creative genius had access to this realm? What is this realm? How deep does it go? What’s the info. There? How do we get masses of people tapping into this? How can we give language to it? What language do we need?They fell this is the largest change of consciousness, since the Neolithic age. It goes back... Since a dramatic change of consciousness. The lab. is no less than place of discovery where this can happen. This touches every area of human endeavor. Everyone’s consciousness, blindness, suffering, illumination, hatred, war, planetary prejudice– everyone is tapped into this problem. This issue of who we are, becomes the most important issue of who we are. People don't even know this journey is there.

And if it is so, that the most important questions for an individual is Who am I? what will happen when we ask ‘Who are We?' Get to social edge. People saying ‘I am God,’ I am the plasticity of my soul traveling in ages. But, who are we? What are we together?

Letting go of all the meaningless garbage we think has meaning in this world. Let go of that and the forgiveness, vulnerability, letting go, letting come, suddenly there is this wisdom. Then there is the we. The beauty is its fun. You need the ‘we’ to do it. Can't do it alone. Unity of consciousness. The way that we will come into one single soul in many bodies. What is that one soul? What is it trying to tell us? What do we block? Mostly, it is emerging! It has been separated from us, except for isolated few. This huge stack of veils. Little by little over the ages, those who have done the self-work. These veils are now becoming thinner. People have what I call a preconscious aesthetic sense of this. People are feeling something. People say they don't know what their next steps in life is. But, they sense something is happening. Those who have dared to look at this, spin around and look into this... Those who dare to look into the fire. This is where the miracle is. The world soul is there, it is not a metaphor. The world soul. The oversoul.

We have to go beyond the personal salvation. Ram Dass said, ‘stop being seekers, start being finders.’

That's the whole work of evolutionary enlightenment. You found the authentic self and now tap into that evolutionary impulse. Higher expressions of harmony and integration and into the manifest...

The fractional ownership model –trusteeship– opens the possibility to bring visionary/pioneering circles together with people which vibrate at the same frequency. Who are resonance to one another and to the space they are at. What would happen when people who have already been seekers, and can be their own source can be together in this work?

It is so beautiful, perfect example of what is emerging in almost same words. What I read in Juan Pablo's thesis. Most of these intentional communities were not sharing. Maybe not focusing on or didn't know how to share the wealth of what they discovered, it was not still about a them, it was a collective them, group them, but they were not open to what this is for. To connect with others. That is where ICON is different. Starting with part of the original paradigm and intention to put as much attention into what you discover and share it. The good and the bad.

Technology. Get the info. out there. But, get the info. out there in beautiful creative pieces. Broadcast to the world with the best of your creativity. Post video, audio, music. You leave the traces for others to replicate and expand the work that is being done there. So this lab has the best that we can offer for beautiful harvesting. Maps, drawings, sketches, light, recording, video. Whatever form we can imagine. We can register these, transform it into beautiful art pieces. So we are with our own masterpiece, with all these beautiful forms and then broadcasting them to the world. Use the best of social media and networks to tap into thousands of people in a way of seeding this quest. To show what we are doing and what we've done so far.

All these diverse art forms. To the films, music, writing and the sharing of that. Underlying all of these is the creative process.

No matter what one is creating, one is creating. All of these creative works have in common. They have a structure and they have essence. The Sufis call container and contents.

We were able to see in sacred plants, the deep structure which itself has exquisite beauty, wondrous, interwoven, fractal, crystalline cosmos of interlocking shapes. We recognize everything we've seen in life. That is the depth of the imagination and the creative expression.

Recognize the deep structures of consciousness and life. Recognize every little gift that life has to offer. Expand it throught the imagination and creative expression. (edited from former paragraph)

All of these, once we get these works of art together to share. The reason why art works touch us is because they align with and illuminate this inner world. That’s why design, architecture, sacred proportions are so important because those are the ones that touch us to the core. The reason Mozart, Bach, touch us so deeply is because we are shaped the way their music is. They saw this, they tapped into that. The reason that great art, is because the proportions in the art mirror the sacred proportions of the vibratory realities. Not putting music in the way we understand music. [Approx. 1:12:00] It is the ancient understanding of music, it is the ultimate causative principle, the vibrations of the universe. We are shaped the way we would sound. Our psyche, our creative vision. The way we evolve as embryos. We can show this now. The forces that brought forth all life, quantum realities, are based on vibratory realities. One thing a lab. can do is to illuminate the very underlying principles of the creative process. Why it takes certain shapes. There’s a lot of creative stuff out there that’s nice, but it doesn't touch us to the core. But there are those that are so, so crystalline correct, that they fit like a key in the lock, those are the great works of art. (include it as quote from Lorin) They have moved people for centuries. We see and know instantly. Again letting go all the judgments allow us to attune to it. A few of us have seen this, but it has not been explored in consciousness. That’s really the architectures. You can see these architectures... That's what these _ were groping for. The internet structures are now entering new levels. New plateaus. Twining. Things are happening. We recognize. We know what the next steps will look like. Following the same laws as plants, crystals. All life and creative essence in the cosmos.

QUESTIONS and answers-

Do we have any event that has been registered, where a collective taps into this source, in the deepest way of what you're naming, into seeing the structures of human consciousness and what we are made of?

I think there are places that have unconsciously done this. Whether shamanic circles. Please like where Stan Grof, exploring psychedelic, now Holotropic breathing, glimpsing deeper levels. I’ve written how its got to happen. Being pretty much hermit, don’t know what’s going on in the world. Cannot believe its not happening. Damanhur. Obviously they are there. Sheldrake, McKenna speaking about tapping into it. There are those that allow people tapping, but they never illuminate it. Original EST. Feel something happen in the room, feel people locking into this collective. Thinking of same things at same time. Look at where you are and how we got there.

What you are talking about is a sacred vision quest. We should find the places that are doing it. We are doing it right now. Bring together that group that can have this happen. I cannot answer your question. Chances are I can find where it happened. I have a sense you will find it happen thousands of year ago. Of written about in sacred or hidden manuscripts. I think it is new, at least the illumination of it. I'm fairly certain its not out there in the public consciousness.

What is your sense on the possibilities of tappinginto the creative process we are naming , by using music, light and other elements in the space as well as architectures like sacred geometry and art processes?

In regards to substances. There will always be a need to tap into spaces/dimensions where peoplecan't get without a substance. When asked -'Why do you have to use something unnatural?- McKenna’s brother said - ‘ to walk in Mexico, see a mushroom on the ground, seems pretty natural to me.’-

The way of doing this. I've been in small groups to varying success. Bringing people to the willingness to be utterly vulnerable. People aren't willing. It is very scary. People don't know how. In meditation we come up against our judgment. I can just say, oh there’s a judgment. I say, this does not serve. Only God's plan for salvation will work. My plan for saving myself doesn’t work. Bring people into that place of letting go, letting go. Yes, music can help, lights can help. Often that can bring us into a new age-ie place.

I think, part of what we’ll have to do is– discover the technology of communication, the psychological, spiritual inner technology of accessing this within a very short period of time and discover what is it that lights do, what is it that music does? I think music will be necessary. Music holds the shape of where we're going. It is the map. It is the spiritual trolley on which we're traveling. We actually get into that state in music. Its not all music. Limited type of music. It is a sacred music. Short answer is we can come up with the states.
I'm thinking, have to find the name. Find those with high integrity who can bring you to those states. Some in field of Music therapy and the research of other music technologies like the holosync.Maybe there is this technology that helps certain people in certain stages of consciousness. And there’s further to be developed.

How in the last thousands year did people entered into this state before they had the holosync? What did people have before there was holosync? What type of meditative ecstatic experience brought people to this state? W How then can this process bring people right to a deeper level. This could be a tremendous tool for those who have been too scrambled by the world.

To do it on the level we are talking about, it is something we will have to refine.

Visionary/pioneering circles

Visionary/pioneering circles are the explorers (psychnauts) of higher states consciousness. We search for the individual/collective descend of consciousness to access deep sources/realms of creativity, revelation and the entering to supramental stages of consciousness. Our self-reflective process should allow for us to discover technologies and processes in its broadest sense, that can be applied to every circle in the spiral. (spiral dynamics) Its action research.

The lab is like an hourglass, answering the most important questions, illuminate the deeper levels of a human being such as: what does it mean to be a human being? Which are the deeper capacities of a human being? What is does it mean to be a collective human being? what is wisdom? But, before we can answer any question on education, what is a child? Before we know what is a child, what are the potentialities?

This includes the profound individual work of transforming at the level of consciousness AND the collective dimension of working together to create a new foundation for human life.

We empower people by letting them be involved in such a new process. Then people really get that they are pioneers, researchers in a new realm of consciousness. The very act of putting together through a Self-reflective process. Aware of what we are doing when we are doing it. Researchers in every move they make. The miracle is not walking on water, its walking on land. Feel where your foot falls. You'll come together. Its everywhere people gather. They will come together to explore consciousness. People will be coming together. Explore consciousness, art, creativity. Not just to share a kitchen and make less carbon footprint. They are coming there to delve deeply into who they are and to move their own self-realization into a deeper realm and finally to a collective serving. This is a major offering for people to become involved because they will be guided and helped through their own personal searching.

The lab model can be replicated in different spaces.

We are illuminating the inner structures of consciousness when it comes to music. You will put more money into what we need to know. What will touch human consciousness and impact children. There are so many ways it comes together.

About Aurobindo and the Mother

The Mother had a vision of a community. People who go into supramental revelation. Higher spaces where they are under supramental influence. Then they can influence the whole movement, the whole field of what's happening. Doesn't matter whether they understand it or not. Higher regions of mind, with higher degrees of compassion, each thing expressing its highest creative stage. Pioneers for the new creation. The preparation for the transitional mind. Where there can be a draw into the new forces to manage the materials compelled. She said, it has to be in small numbers. Small numbers are powerful and then diffuse the work. To prepare humanity for the new creations with no impatience. But, touch things in this new higher disposition. Each stage, each worldview, stage of consciousness, meme, its in their maximum of the poise of where they're at; create good, true, beautiful. Things will be utilized more completely. Each thing realizing its inner gift.

That realm of the supramental, the super being, spiritual, staying in compassion as a spiritual gratitude at every moment. That core group, in that realm where Savriti is. What we were speaking about before. That core that has lived in this realm and sees it. That somehow creates the shape, the crystalline web in which all people resonate... become, their internal experience of themselves. So she's speaking about this. Those who have to come together and describe it as we're there. Oh, look at that thing. So what the hell is that all about. These unfurling veils. Enter the state. Its there for something. It is the global ecstasy to which we are all aspiring.

With integral yoga, higher states of consciousness, shamanic work, tapping into consciousness for the changing of the world. This is much larger than any business plan I can possibly imagine.

ABOUT THE BUSINESS PLAN

We're probably going to create a general structure which can then be translated to different languages and memes. To target different investor lines. First a general structure, the initial building blocks which we can play with to create more Bz plans for different audiences. The different viewpoints from who will be reading it and their various paradigms. How to be languaging it, is of course critical.

I'll start the very concrete language. Pragmatic. Then ornaments, colors, flavors that we wish. To see what we're craving for to widen our possibilities.


We will discover how the creative experience can prevent underlying dysfunctions in children.. How can creativity create the vision necessary for people to take on the global issues? We will be providing the fruits of our research.

Qualitative research that will explore inner core of human experience will answer all of these questions. Illuminate the inner world of the most highly gifted. Illuminate the nature of the creative process? What heals? Which are the new forms that will serve as a leverage for humanity?

When you see the U- you'll see the next levels of refinement. Have time to process the harvesting. Locate it in different spaces. Then go into that part of the technology so that we are also in resonance ...